Improving your “Healthspan” with Alternative Medicine

Dive into our very first episode as Scott explores the awe-inspiring future of healthcare with two trailblazing pioneers right here in Scottsdale North. Discover how they are revolutionizing the healthcare landscape by pushing the boundaries in both lifespan and health span.

Some highlights:

2:00 Unraveling the Magic of Functional Medicine

3:35 MERT: The Game-Changer in Wellness

8:11 Healthcare Uncensored: Our Bold Take

9:10 Become the CEO of Your Own Health

13:30 Quality of Life: It’s Not Just a Phrase!

16:20 The System’s at Fault, Not the Docs!

28:40 The Aching Truth: Is Your Suffering Unnecessary?

32:50 Cholesterol: The Misunderstood Ally

37:50 Your Body Speaks, Are You Listening?

Interview Transcript

– Hey gang, Scott with Scott Gaertner Group here. And welcome to our very first podcast. Sit back, make sure your seat belts are fastened and your tray tables are in the upright and locked position ’cause we are going in a thrilling journey into the future of healthcare. And our destination is right here in Scottsdale North. Today with us, we have two pioneers in this cutting edge medicine. And these two doctors are at the forefront of, not just expanding people’s lifespan, how long people live, but their health span. You know, that’s that sweet spot where you’re out there living and thriving and enjoying every minute of your life. This is really going to be great stuff. So tune in, lean back and listen to how these two trailblazers are going to be transforming the way that we think of healthcare and longevity here in Scottsdale North. Guys, thank you for being here.

– Absolutely.

– Thank you for having us.

– You bet, we’ve got Dr. Jen and Dr. Brian, and we’ll let them give a little background. Ladies first, Jen, tell us a little bit about your background.

– Absolutely, so I started out in 1999, actually in family practice. And I was a regular urgent care doc, family practitioner, and got sick in 2004 with what turned out to be six years of daily migraines. And nobody in the regular medical profession could help me. I was seeing everybody known to man and I couldn’t get any answers for why I was sick. And so I started branching out, what else is out there? Because my medicine isn’t working. Nobody in my field of allopathic medicine, the regular medicine knows what to do with me. And I knew it was medical, I wasn’t in my head and I knew there was some answer out there. And so I started talking to acupuncturists, chiropractors, naturopaths, orthomolecular medicines, literally everybody I could think of. Somebody introduced me to functional medicine around the time.

– Did you say functional medicine?

– Functional medicine, yeah. And functional medicine I learned was all about using the research that’s done in the laboratories and taking that directly into practice instead of 20 years later when the pharmaceutical company made a drug for that research. But to use that research right away and figure out what vitamins, minerals, herbs we could use to speed up or slow down medical reactions in the body to actually get people better without drugs. And I was like, wow, this is what I wanted to learn in medical school and never learned, like I ended up learning something completely different. What drug does this problem need? And that wasn’t what I was looking for at all. As an athlete my entire life, I was into diet and exercise and sleep and we knew all of these things were important, but you get into medical school and it all gets shoved out the back door. You learn drugs, what drugs for what problem? And so as I went into functional medicine, I was like, wow, this is really what I was looking for. Found myself a mentor and was able to get myself better in six months where five and a half years of regular medicine was never able to help. So really I have invested my entire career since that time, since 2000 now 13 years, in functional medicine and getting people well, people that are, whether they’re overweight, whether they’re chronically ill with autoimmune disease or fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, these kind of problems to get them better and get ’em off their meds and knowing how to take control of their life again. And we also do therapy in our office now called MeRT therapy, this magnetic e-resonance therapy, which is a magnetic therapy for the brain to get the brain working better. And because many of the folks that I work with that are chronically ill have a brain that doesn’t work very well, just like mine didn’t work very well with six years of daily migraines. This adding this additional thing has just been a God send for so many people as well as myself going forward in it that we just wanted to share this information with people. And now I do have my MD still, but that’s not what I practice. I I have a functional medicine certification, I’m board certified in integrative medicine as well as family practice. So I put all these things together. What do we use best for each individual person that comes in?

– Yeah, but honestly you say you don’t use your MD anymore, remember Marcus Welby, MD, those guys are old enough to remember it. That’s what we thought a doctor was. I think you’re contrasting to what it maybe has become is they train you how to, how to prescribe on some level. I’m not trying to be negative, I’m just saying these guys only have so much time and they’re trying to just solve symptoms where Marcus Welby and you know, the old time doctors solve problems.

– Correct, and you know, that’s very true too because my husband will liken me a lot of times to a psychologist. He’s like, all you do is psychology a lot of the day. And I said, yeah, because you know what? Many of our medical illnesses come from a psychological imbalance or psychological event that we haven’t gotten over. So a lot of times I’m just here to listen and learn an awful lot from that.

– Yeah, and that’s kind of just common sense really. I mean, you know, that we control a lot of things, I think inherently we all know that. But no, that’s great. Well thanks, that’s a great beginning. Brian, tell us a little bit about your background.

– My background is in dentistry and nutrition. I’ve been a lifelong student of natural healing. I’ve always believed that our bodies were designed to heal themselves and if we got our head out of the way and gave our bodies what it really needed, oxygen, nutrients, good clean water, that our bodies would do what they were designed to do and that’s healed themselves. And I’ve been a student of that now for the last 40 plus years, probably dating myself a little bit with that. But as the journey continued forward, I was challenged with a number of very close family members and friends with debilitating diseases and including stage four. And I really wasn’t impressed with the way the system was taking care of them. They were medicating them, they were doing what they could for them, but really not paying attention to the individual. And through some of the techniques that we use at Health Solutions and through some natural healing modalities, we were able to bring those people from impossible circumstances to thriving, driving and living a healthy life again. Also had the experience of working in the dark world of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s with some family members. And became very frustrated because even some of the simple things that we do today from a nutritional standpoint weren’t allowed in those facilities. I was shut out even though I had the knowledge, I had the experience and I could take studies to the individuals. It was simply outside of their scope. They weren’t even willing to consider it. So at that point in time, I decided to make it my life’s mission and my passion to pursue natural healing and share it with the world. My son also had a horrible accident. He was told he was never going to walk again. He was likely to be paralyzed. And I’m happy to say that today he is a guide out in Teton National Forest on UTVs and ATVs five and six days a week. And he’s an avid mountain biker. You cannot tell to this day that he was ever injured. And it was just a few, six, seven years ago when he was told he was never going to walk again. He was never going to be able to function again. And you know, the only thing they could do was fuse his spine and leave him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life. We didn’t accept that. And I’m glad to say that your body is able to heal itself even under these extreme circumstances. And that’s where health solutions was born. And that’s why we’re here today, is I want to share the love with as many people as possible. We’re here to, you know, Dr. Jen and I both have the same passion. We’re here to change the way the world views healthcare. It’s traditionally been really sick care. We take care of the sick and we keep ’em that way or we keep them just healthy enough so, you know, they feel a little bit better. But we’re about changing the whole worldview of healthcare and how health is created, how health is maintained, and how if you listen to your body, it’ll tell you what it needs and we just follow along. We’ve got to get the head out of the way and let the heart do the talking.

– Well that’s good as we could have done, I think everybody can get a sense that this is where their heart is. This is not some clever business niche where you’re trying to capitalize on it. This is what you guys believe is what’s going to be the way people are healed in the future, right? I mean And it’s what we’re seeing, isn’t it? Isn’t it changing daily now?

– Yeah, and we need every single person to be able to take control of their own health, to understand enough to know what they need when something’s not going right. Whether it’s a supplement, whether it’s better sleep at night, whether it’s some energy from an outside source So lot of what what you do, you know, there’s all kinds of ways to heal people, but they need to know what’s out there to be able to make the best choice and to understand what works in which situation.

– Well that, and that is, you have to be your own personal advocate. And I think also trust your instincts. Because over the last, particularly over the last few years with Covid, I’ve lost a blatant, where I was just a blanket trust with the medical profession. It’s not there anymore for me.

– It’s not there for most people anymore. There’s very few people who blatantly trust their doctors now, it’s always like, really? Is that right? And I think with good reason.

– Yeah, I discovered with an illness my wife had that, you know, doctors are really, they’re all really good people, but when they don’t know an answer, I think sometimes they make things up or they just get frustrated, blame the patient. We saw some really, went through some really tough times that way. And so I think we’re breaking out of that rigid old way and now we’re going to have more opportunities, more, more way more things available to us.

– Absolutely, you have to be a advocate for your own healthcare. You have to question decisions, you have to question what alternatives are available. You know, there are a lot of alternatives that are out there that are quite frankly very inexpensive and very, very effective. They’re not promoted because they’re not in the standard practices because they’re not driven by the big machinery that generates all of the income for the healthcare industry. Many of these have been around for hundreds of years and yet we as a society have refused to pay attention to that. You know, acupuncture being one modality that we integrate into our healthcare systems at Health Solutions and people often ask me, well, does it really work? Well, it’s been around for 4,000 years. Sticking sharp needles in your body is not real sexy. It’s not a great marketing plan. It doesn’t have any real buzz in the marketplace, but it’s still here 4,000 years later, why? Because it works. Now, does it work for everyone? No, not everything works for everyone. We’ve got to customize everything that we do for each individual client or patient that we see. And we have to have a rapport with each of those clients to understand what they’re going through. And I think that’s where western medicine in their requirements to see so many patients. And I really feel for our brethren in the medical field because they’re pigeonholed. They were taught to think and the system has taken that ability to think out and now we’re on a 5, 10, 15 minute schedule and we have to check those boxes and we have to get to the next person. Or we get censored or we get punished in some way because we’re not following the standard practices. So that good old fashioned doctor to patient relationship where we’re building rapport, where we’re really finding out what’s going on, what you’re feeling, how you’re feeling, you know, that piece is gone. And I think society as a whole is now pushing western medicine back to more of its roots, back to a position where we have to think we have to build a rapport, we have to understand what our bodies are doing and then communicate that to whomever we’re working with to help make changes in our body. It’s really about coaching the body to make changes that it’s going to do on its own if we give it the right tools. And so I see the public really pushing this to happen. And there are a few of us that are out there that have been on the forefront taking the spears and the arrows in the back because we’re promoting these things that are natural, yet we continue to see really positive results.

– We don’t want to go neuro negative here, but it is, what you’re doing is a bit of a threat to the standard practice as it is, right?

– Absolutely.

– And you see that a little bit?

– Okay and interestingly, one of the things that I’ve realized over time is that some of what’s pushing this new interest is a lot of the Gen Xers and a lot of the younger people, because they take how they feel and how they live is so much more important. Our generation just learned to push through, push through, push through and sit, get the job done no matter how we felt. It was job come before anything else. And the younger generation has been taught, hey, life, quality of life before job. And so all of a sudden they’re like this 15 minute thing is not getting, when they start having problems, which unfortunately too many of ’em are having earlier now too. There’s like, hey, this is not working for us anymore. This is not what we’re looking for. We want to feel healthier now and 15 minutes when you don’t even know who I am, not buying it.

– Yeah, that’s good. And you know, the other thing they bring to the table, and we won’t talk positively about these younger guys too much ’cause, but we had authoritarian parents and we respected authority without question. And so that was the doctor and these kids aren’t seeing it that way. And on this level, that might be a good thing.

– That might be a good thing.

– I think the younger generations are paying more attention to their health earlier on. They’re seeing how, you know, our generation, I like to say, you know, we spent all our health trying to acquire wealth and now we’re trying to spend all of our wealth to reacquire our health. And you know, our children, our grandchildren are seeing this process and saying, wait a minute, you guys are crazy. Why beat yourself up just so you can hobble around when you, you know, life is slowing down and you should be out thriving, driving and feeling amazing. And they’ve got a very valid point. We have destroyed our health. And so I think they’re taking charge more so. Certainly they’re more aggressively questioning why and challenging that authority that, you know, those of us who grew up in previous days, we weren’t allowed to do that. I think it’s very healthy, sometimes for practitioners, It can be a bit challenging, if you will, because we’ve got to be open to that criticism. We’ve got to be open to those questions and those are hard questions. And if we don’t have answers, then we’re going to look bad. And so oftentimes I think that’s why people are shut down with their traditional, you know, physician is they simply don’t have time to explain everything and certainly don’t have time to be challenged.

– [Scott] And they don’t have time to do research, right?

– No.

– Exactly. And it it’s the system. It’s not the doctors. I want to make sure everybody understands that. Anybody who goes into healthcare is really a caring self-sacrificing individual. Because in order to make it to even get there, you have to sacrifice so much personally. It’s not about the money, it’s about the passion to care for others to help them heal, to help them get better. Unfortunately, the parameters around that system have squeezed that portion of healthcare out.

– I completely believe that the people I know that are doctors were about contribution at least at some point, at least in the beginning. Because like you say, you sacrificed your early years not doing what a lot of kids are doing.

– Yeah and a lot of the doctors, because they’re realizing that what they learned isn’t really what’s helping people. There’s a lot of burnout because they don’t know how to escape the system. They weren’t forced out of the system like we were because of what we’d seen and what we’d lived through ourselves. And so they’re kind of stuck going, God, I’m not really helping people and how long can I last doing this? And it’s like, oh, I’ve got another five years. So I got another 10 years. And it’s unfortunate, but as physicians, when we get through school, I think I got four hours of nutrition education when I went through medical school and residency. Four hours, that’s nothing. How can I possibly tell somebody how to get their cholesterol down or how to lose weight or what to eat for diabetes if I don’t understand the basics of nutrition? I went to medical school in the middle of a no fat era. And when I was in medical school, I was doing triathlons. I was on a triathlon team and we were all trying to run triathlons, doing no fat. I mean, how good do you think we did? Not very well at all at that point. But you know, we were susceptible to all this too. And knowing what I know now, like there’s no doctor out there that can really coach well on this kind of stuff unless they’ve had extra training. Because they intentionally don’t that teach us that because they want you to use a drug. And very unfortunate. So, you know, and the kids these days, they’ve been taught even less. I mean when we went through school, we had home-ec, we at least learned how to cook. Half the kids today that are coming out, their parents have worked full-time because they had to keep money enough in the household to be able to, you know, get the kids doing what they needed to do. And so there’s no education on how to cook at all. And so how do they even have a chance of keeping their health good in a longer term without some basics? What’s healthy, how do I cook it? How do I make this happen for my family or for the family I’d like to have.

– That’s good, I think that we’ve made it clear that doctors are good people. But there’s a problem in the medicine system.

– The system is broken.

– Absolutely.

– It’s driven by money, not results.

– And a lot of that money is pharmaceutical, right? Which is my last thing I want to do is to deal with medicine,

– As a matter of fact, the pharmaceutical companies are those that are training physicians.

– They’re the educators.

– They’re the truly. So all we learn is, okay, you got this diagnosis, well you got these symptoms, what are the possible diagnoses? And based on which diagnoses you choose, here’s your drug. There’s no looking at the person overall and going, oh, you got this system wrong, this system wrong, this system not working right, this system not working right. How do we put this all together into one all-encompassing answer for what we need to look at? It’s like, oh no, your lung system is off. Your blood sugar system is off, your kidney system is off and we’ll send you to each of the individual specialists. It’s not a, we’re not a organ system. We’re a whole being that all interacts together. And unless you look at it that way, you’re never going to get results. And that’s why so many client, people are so frustrated with the system ’cause they know that, but they don’t know where to go next.

– Yeah, before I met you guys, I don’t know where I would’ve gone.

– Thank you.

– We’re glad we could open some doors for you, Scott.

– Yeah, big time.

– You know, and I think, you know, overall, as we’ve said before, people are hungry for knowledge. They’re hungry for a doctor who will sit down and spend time with them and actually educate them on what’s going on in their body and how they can take charge and how they can change that. You know, it’s just heart psychologist, you know, as Dr. Jen said, it’s about listening. It’s about, you know, touching in a way that we can understand what’s going on. It’s about, you know, using your ears to listen twice as much as you use your mouth to speak. Because when we listen, we learn so much more. Your body gives us cues or clues. I mean, walking in the door, I can see if you’ve got any issue or if you’ve got a hip issue, I want to delve into or we want to delve into what is the root cause of that issue? How can we coach your body now to let go of the pain, to let go of whatever it’s going through and correct, you know, those things that are malfunctioning if you will.

– Well that’s, yeah, I walked into your door and you immediately focused on my knee, but we talked about a lot of different things and then different therapies. The pulse someday we’ll get into all that, but made a huge difference outside of surgeries, you know, and so, you know, what’s the, I forget the line, but it’s, if all you have for a tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So that’s surgeons certainly that’s their tool. Doctors, medicine is their tool. So you guys just have a much, much bigger toolbox. Is that a way to think of it?

– That’s a great way to put it, Scott.

– And I hear it from people a lot that they don’t feel like they get heard in medicine. So even if you were just a sounding board to actually listen, but you actually have more solutions than the other, than a systematic doctor would have.

– Yeah absolutely, you know, as an MD I’ve got all the regular MD solutions and then I’ve got the integrative medicine, adding the acupuncture, adding the chiropractic, adding the other that I can refer people to. And then I got the whole functional medicine with vitamins and minerals and enzymes and energy medicine. Like let’s add some energy to the body and let’s see where we get from there. So I mean, and Brian’s got a lot of, you know, different machines, different systems, but we all use all of these to each person’s best needs and it does give us a lot more answers.

– Well, then with Jen, I don’t know if I ever told you, we went there and she did a scan of my brain and it was kind of shocking. It was not good. So we’re working on it.

– And I went in and Dr. Jen did the scan on me and ironically the scan pointed out all of the concussions that I’ve had over the years. I’ve been very active athletically and outdoors and somehow I always seem to land on my head.

– Not in the right way.

– I’m not sure that’s a positive thing, but that’s just, you know, how I’ve been since I was young and it was very interesting to see the scan. It was very interesting to go through the MeRT therapy. I didn’t realize how my brain function had slowed to the extent that it was. And after my first therapy session, when I went back to the office, my staff noticed a difference. I didn’t notice a difference, but they noticed a difference. My clarity, my function all the way around. And it was simply a matter of giving my brain the energy and the right frequency patterns that it needed to reset itself. The MeRT therapy didn’t really do anything other than give my brain what it needed to go back to its happy state and function at a much higher level than it has in a long time. I didn’t realize how clouded I had become until I went through the therapy sessions. And I have to say it’s an amazing life transforming piece of technology for anybody that’s had brain issues.

– Yeah, and there it is. You’re a guy that’s health conscious, pays attention to everything. And yet if you not gone there that you would’ve, I assume even if it stayed the same, you’d have been cloudy, but I assumed it would’ve degenerative at some point.

– Yeah, actually there’s some good research that was out of the U.K. I just saw two months ago that said even one decent head injury, I.E. decent not being a good one, like one that’s notable increases your risk of dementia by twice. By double the risk that you would have a otherwise. And that’s honestly what got me into the MeRT ’cause my six years of migraines that I had actually started four years beforehand with a head injury and I couldn’t get better from it. My brain was foggy and then I ended up having all these years of migraine. That was adrenal failure. Now your adrenals are your get up and go energy. My get up and go, got up and left. And my result of that was not only fatigue, but severe headaches because whenever a stressful event hit my body couldn’t get out of that, out of its own way to give it myself enough energy to get through that event. I would just crash with a headache every time. But when I heard about the MeRT therapy, and we heard about it first through my husband because it was well known in the military, is the only thing that was good for PTSD and TBI in the military. That’s how it had first gotten it’s name.

– [Scott] What is TBI?

– Traumatic brain injury. And then PTSD, a lot of the military veterans with TBI and PTD were dying. They were committing suicide because there had so much anxiety and so much dysfunction coming back from the military that they couldn’t afford to lose all these people. It was giving them a bad name. Nobody wanted to join and know that they were going to go overseas and come back with PTSD or a head injury from either concussion, from blast injury or from actually hitting the ground when something came their way. And so when the military found the MeRT therapy and it just changed people’s lives left and right, they’re like, wow, this is the only thing we’re paying for. We need everybody to start doing this. And even on top of that, they, the guys that were using, that had had PTSD and TBI, a lot of ’em were using drugs, alcohol to kind of calm the anxiety that went along with all that. And they found that after two or three weeks of MeRT, people were able to stop using drugs and alcohol with no withdrawal symptoms. And phenomenal, like that doesn’t happen. You get withdrawal for months.

– Probably, probably with no effort because they no longer needed to dull.

– Correct, correct, so when I heard about this, I’m like, we’re buying that machine. ‘Cause I know that my head injury was a big part of what gave me my six years of migraines. I already had a huge risk of dementia. I’ve got two APOE4 genes, which means I am I’m bringing a 44% risk of dementia just coming in. Not to mention the fact that my mom’s already got some dementia. I’m like, I’m not going down this way. And God got me into functional medicine to heal this, to be able to address all those underlying factors to get myself better. And this is this other piece. This is like, how do I get my brain really better? And that MeRT was it, I mean. Owning the machine I probably got in 12, 14, 16 weeks of it over time, but certainly eight weeks right away. And game changer, just like you said, absolute game changer. Couldn’t imagine not having it.

– That, so I don’t want to keep splintering off, but I got to touch on it that okay, you had an urgent thing, you had migraines, most people would’ve handled that. Probably not as assertively as you because you’re just, that’s your personality. But I think most of us live in this quiet desperation. We just have these things and we ignore ’em. And may, if you go to a regular doctor, there’s a good chance they’ll give you a couple pills that we’re not close to the solution. So then you live with it. So there’s a lot of people that are suffering needlessly, right?

– Absolutely, you know, we hear over and over and over again, this is just part of getting old, I disagree. You know, we should feel amazing at a hundred years old, we should be able to thrive and drive out on the golf course out playing pickleball, tennis, whatever we want to do. There’s no reason we should let our bodies degrade. We should be able to keep it fine tuned, well-functioning machine right up until the day that we’re blessed to die. You know, that’s how we shouldn’t do this slow crawl that we’re doing so much right now. And that’s your health span versus lifespan concept. We’ve been pretty good at extending the lifespan of people, but the health span, the years that they’re actually healthy, invigorated, thriving, feeling good, that span has been shrinking. So with all the medications, with all the surgeries, with all the artificial intelligence things that we’ve developed to help extend our life, we really haven’t been good at extending our health span. So that’s what we’re really here to do, is to help people understand that it’s not how long you live, it’s how much quality of life you have while you’re living. So, you know, we see people well into their nineties that are still playing golf three and four times a week and feeling great. That’s what we want to do. We want to get, you know, the public and all the listeners to understand that it’s in your control. There’s some things out there you might need to explore, some different opportunities or options that you haven’t seen before. But really your life is in your control and the ability to feel amazing again, no matter what your challenges are, those answers are before you. You just have to seek ’em out and look for ’em.

– So that sounds like hyperbole, like just an ideal thing. But you believe that’s possibility too, right?

– Oh absolutely.

– And you’ve seen it.

– You know, I talk to people all the time about arthritis. Any athlete, you get a bunch of joint injuries along the way, it happens. But you know what, just because you have a joint injury doesn’t mean that joint has to hurt. Because if it hurt, it’s because it’s inflamed. If it’s inflamed, you’re doing something, your muscle imbalance is wrong or you’ve got too much inflammation in your system that’s focusing on that joint. Too much inflammation in your system is what you’re eating first and foremost. And nowadays our world is so toxic. We’re so full of heavy metals. We’re so full of pesticides that are killing off our gut bacteria. We’re so full of all kinds of other chemicals in our plastics, in our environment that are sending our hormones all out, that we are dying earlier than prior generations. I went out in October to go to my family, my grandmother’s home place, never been there before, in Raywick, Kentucky, middle of nowhere, Raywick, Kentucky actually, you can’t go down there anymore to where she lived because it’s now pot farm. Welcome to rural Kentucky. But what was interesting then, we visited all these grave sites and people either died in the first five years of life or they were 90 and a hundred years old. Literally 85, 90, 100 old. People aren’t living that long anymore. And this is from people that were born in the 1870s to 1900s. They were living in their 90s and 80s and 90s and 100 years old. You’re seeing people dying of heart attacks now in their twenties. Like our world is so toxic that if you want to be healthy, you got to do something different. Not only not to accept a medicine, but you’ve also, you’ve got to figure out how to detoxify all this, all these chemicals from our system and how to overcome the influence of some of these chemicals we can’t avoid.

– A simple example is 50 years ago we made cholesterol the enemy, cholesterol was killing everybody. Cholesterol was causing heart attacks, cholesterol was clogging our arteries. Well cholesterol is the building block of every single hormone in our body. Cholesterol is also the building block of our brain. So if we took away the building blocks, the basic pieces that we need to repair our nervous system, our brain, and to produce every single hormone that floats around in our body. If we don’t have those building blocks 50 years later now, 60 years later after we make cholesterol the enemy, why are we wondering why brain dysfunction is through the roof? It’s epidemic, yes it is. All sorts of brain disorders. Why are we wondering now why fertility is through the floor? Why our hormones are on the floor, why our young males are no longer fit and they don’t look, they don’t function like an athlete anymore. They function more like a couch potato. It’s not just the video games that they’re watching, it’s the hormonal levels that are in the floor. We have 18 year old, 19 year old 20 year olds that have hormone levels of an 80 year old. You know, how is that body supposed to repair itself? How is that body supposed to build muscle? How is it supposed to function if we don’t have those basic building blocks? We have knee and joint issues that are rampant. Chicken skin, gristle from meat, bone broth, all those things became bad. But those are made up of collagen. If we don’t have collagen, we can’t regrow that cartilage in our knees. We can’t regrow that disc that’s in our back. We can’t help repair those herniated things. Our body simply doesn’t have those building blocks. So the basics of simple nutrition, going back a hundred years, when they used all of these pieces of the animal and all of the pieces of the plant to give us that good solid nutrition, we decided that was old school and we were just going to throw it out and we’re going to do things new. Now, we’re reaping the consequences of it.

– Yeah, it used to be old cultures, ancient cultures, they all ate organ meats, they all ate bone broths. They had a pot on the stove all the time. That was just throw new stuff in as it went along. So stuff was just cooking and brewing and growing more nutrition out of it as it cooked longer. And it’s just eyeopening to think that it’s like you wouldn’t, most of us, my generation even wouldn’t be caught dead eating liver or adrenals or kidney or any of that. People used to, they used to fight over it. The the whole family divided up in little teeny pieces like the organ meats, so everybody got some and you know, now we have to do it in supplements. But the people did eat that way. And that’s how they established a healthy generation is by what makes a healthy baby. And what makes a healthy baby is going to make a healthy adult as well. And all of it’s been lost. A lot of it’s been lost. And then you throw all the toxins in there on top of it that they never had back then.

– Yeah, we’ve seen, I can’t think of all of all of the foods that were bad and then they’re good. Coffee was bad and then it was good. Wine was bad then it was good. I think you’re up again. But just constantly we keep making these predictions and then changing our habits completely. And that’s just not common sense.

– No it’s not and oftentimes it’s driven by other industries, you know, the cereal grain industries and, you know, some of those industries, you know, canola oil, I don’t want to pick on anybody, but you know, it’s a very inflammatory oil. It’s great for lubricating parts on your tractor, but it’s not so good when you put it in your body and cause a giant storm of inflammation and then wonder why our joints and everything else hurts or why we’re bloated.

– [Female] Isn’t it rancid by the time it hits the shelf, anyway? I mean that’s what I’ve heard of that canola oil. It’s a tiny shelf life. So it’s rancid before you even.

– Yeah, a lot, absolutely. And the fact that any of the processed food on the shelf has been cooked with it a lot of times. Or other saturated oils that are even worse for you along the way. And so in our need to have it right now, culture, there’s a lot of processed food that’s gone on that’s atrocious for people and nobody knows any better ’cause they never get taught any of this stuff because the schools aren’t allowed to teach it. ‘Cause who’s funding school system, pharmaceutical industry. I mean literally they’re funding a lot of the education in the schools as well as the education of doctors along the way. It’s so the big dollar talking.

– Yeah, well at least the big dollar gets the loudest voice and we have so many voices around us now, so many media, so many polls that the loudest one can affect us.

– Yeah, you just have to pay attention to what your body is telling you. If you listen to your body it will tell you, hey, I don’t like this food or I don’t like this, you know, particular soda or whatever it is. If you don’t feel good and it’s not good for you, you know?

– Yep, yeah, we spend a lot of time in our practice teaching people exactly that. Hey, try taking this out of your diet for a while and then put it back in and see what happens? If you feel, well to use no better word, like dog dodo the next day. If you really feel crappy, guess what? Probably don’t want to be doing that very much because it’s causing inflammation and inflammation in functional medicine we talk about aging inflamm-aging, inflammation is the cause of aging. And if you can stop inflammation, you can literally stop the aging process. And that is all of our goal is to stop the aging process. ‘Cause at some point in time, many of us fall off the wagon. We run into issues, we get massive inflammation and then how do we back it off? How do we undo what’s already there? And that’s what Brian does, that’s what I do. And we work, you know, with the same goal in mind, using very different tools a lot of times and a lot of the same tools in generality.

– Well, but I would also want to bring, inject a little optimism that it sounds, you know, and so there’s been mistakes made over the years and we’re all going to live with that. But you have tools that can help people regain some of that ground.

– Absolutely, right, no, yeah, I watch it. I will, we all, we both watch it every day in our practices, you know, people that came in and then a month later they look like a different person ’cause they’ve changed how they’re eating. They’re getting some energy therapy to give their body energy again. And their face looks different, their voice looks different, they walk different. Like literally you can see ’em, see somebody walking down the hall and like, wow. Like, yeah, I can’t believe that’s the same person. It’s so nice. It’s such a positive thing for us to see that change so they don’t even have to open their mouth. And we’re like, wow, we got it. They’re on the right track.

– To see somebody who’s been in a wheelchair for a long time, to be able to get up out of the chair and take themselves to the bathroom or to be able to walk upstairs to their bedroom again because they can versus being stuck in a hospital bed in the living room and using a wheelchair. I mean, those are magic moments and we see them all the time. It’s transformative for the individual. And you know, that’s what brings us the satisfaction of doing what we’re doing is we’re changing one life at a time for the better. And really we’re teaching and coaching that person how to change and take charge of their health. And as they learn that it’s like a beautiful blossoming flower. They just come out of their shell. They’re invigorated, they’re engaged again. There’s hope for a life well lived.

– And they never lose that information because when they’ve been able to turn their life around, they’re like, I’m never going back. There’s no way I can walk those other steps ever again ’cause I see how good I feel now versus how I felt then.

– And it transforms generations because their family sees it, their friends see it, and then all of a sudden this hocus pocus that we’ve been talking about, this new form of taking care of your body, it becomes a reality. It’s no longer Star Wars, it’s now a reality that is here today.

– It’s an option. Well, for us, we can see it on your faces, clearly that’s what you’re doing. This is to see those type things happen. In fact, I’ve thought I talked to Brian about it, but I’ve thought about it. We’ve met some people who were affected by both of your practices, the kids with autism. And we met one of your clients, Brian, as we were out for one of our blood drives. And it wasn’t even his, his brother started with us and then he came over and told us the change in his life and he was like stage four cancer and now completely out of it and healthy. And I would love to do a podcast with those, with a couple of those so that people start to get a sense of, oh, they’re not just making this stuff up.

– Yeah, yeah, and you know, when I was going through my 6-8 years of daily migraines, I was suicidal several times because I literally thought there was no hope. I had no idea what else was out there. I didn’t know what else to do. And really my passion now is to give those people, that are stuck in the regular system, that hope that hey, there really is an answer and we can help you find it. And it’s not just me. It’s like the other people I know, ’cause everybody I know is doing little bit different stuff than me. But we’re all needed together to get people to where they really need to be in the long run. So I don’t want anybody else to be hopeless. There’s so many avenues out there outside of the system to really get the results for people that they wanted. I mean, I’m so glad I never gave up, but I was in a really interesting spot as a doctor already to say, hey, I know this is medical, it’s not in my head. And you know, when I went through my journey, I was at Mayo Clinic, after four and a half years going, God, I’m on five different meds, guys, what can you do? There’s nothing else working. And they’re like, oh, you can do Botox. Like Botox, like Botox is a neurotoxin. My brain is barely functioning right now. I can barely get through my day and you want me to do Botox and you want me to inject it every three months, which is just telling me, it’s just covering symptoms up. It’s not really fixing. How could I do that? How can I do that? I know enough to know that’s not the right answer. But a lot of people don’t know that because they’ve never, they don’t know enough medicine. They’ve always been listening to their regular doctor. And so thank God I did know enough to say, hey, there’s more out there. I’m not accepting this as an answer.

– Well, and it’s good personality types too. You are a tenacious, you are. But not everyone has that drive, so who’s going to push them? That’s sad, you know, hopefully this podcast, somebody out there hears this and maybe just make a phone call. Just call these guys and if it’s not them.

– We’ll direct you.

– Direct you, you’ll be at least engaged in the end inquiry because I could tell you both want to contribute, make people’s lives better.

– It takes a village. And in the village there are a lot of different experts and in this space of natural wellness and healing and full body rejuvenation, if you will, like-minded individuals and practitioners tend to congregate together. We don’t view each other as competition. We view each other as assets so that we can help each individual patient or client find the best answer for their challenges so that we can reinvigorate that hope. that’s really what it’s all about. Because if your mind believes that you can heal, you’re halfway there.

– Well, that’s probably a great place to stop with this one, but is there anything else that you guys would like to add that you thought of in the midst of this?

– One of the things I love when I sit down for an interview with somebody, I’ll sit down for an hour initially with the first interview. And there’s so many people that come away with that conversation and they’re like, wow, I just feel better already. And they don’t know why they feel better, but I was like, you know, you realize why you feel better is because suddenly you have hope, you have faith that I’m hearing you, I’m understanding what you’re saying and I have options for you. Options that are not necessarily all with me. They may be with somebody else, but I have this group of people around me that we can help you get to where you want to be and you can get your life back again. And that’s, it’s just an amazing thing to be able to give that hope back to people again.

– Yeah, Scott, I want to thank you for allowing us to share our passion, to get the word out. My mission is to touch a million lives and if I can touch a million lives out there, then I’ve done my part here on this earth. So thank you for letting us share to touch that million lives.

– Well, you’ve touched mine, both of you. Thank you very, very much and let’s continue this. Let’s do some more. But for you guys, I think you can get a sense of these people, they want to contribute. If you need help, ask them. Thanks for listening.

About Scott Gaertner

Scott Gaertner

Scott Gaertner

Since 1984 Scott’s real estate career has always been committed to exceptional results and his business philosophy has always been “If you want extraordinary results, find out what the ordinary do – and then don’t do it!” Consequently his career has been a trail of astonishing successes created from ground-breaking methods.

His first year in real estate selling new homes for a large builder, Scott sold 101 homes and became the first recipient of the Arizona Homebuilders Association’s “Most Net Units Sold Award.” The Association created the award that year because they said nobody had ever heard of that many homes being sold in one year before! Later, due to his continued successes, he became the first recipient of the Homebuilder’s Association’s “Lifetime Achievement Award.”

In the resale home business, Scott continued his innovative trends by opening Scottsdale’s first real estate company devoted solely to representing real estate buyers. This pioneering event in 1990 was long before most had ever heard of the term “buyer’s agency” or considered buyer representation. After years of teaching classes and bringing much needed media exposure to the cause, buyer’s agency has become the accepted standard of practice. That cause complete, Scott moved on to a more traditional role with Keller Williams Northeast Realty. But of course, not in an ordinary way . . .

Shunning the conventional wisdom in resale real estate that says “Specialize in everything!” Scott adopted one small corner of the Scottsdale market to call his own. Using typically unconventional marketing methods and strategies, he became the dominant agent in one zip code of Scottsdale North. Dominant not only in numbers of sales, but in pricing successes for his clients.

By 2018, Scott’s techniques have proven so successful that he is now guaranteeing his results, and expanding his business to a much larger market in the North Valley.